What happens when you put two veteran pastors and friends in a room and ask them to have a candid conversation about ministry? In this all-new podcast series, The Heart of Pastoring, Jared C. Wilson and Ronnie Martin reflect on the biblical qualifications for pastors in gracious, thoughtful, and — very often — humorous ways. In this prefatory episode to the first season, our two hosts introduce themselves, tell a bit of their stories and their deep ministry experience, and lay the groundwork for where they’re going with the rest of the series.